Oct 292010
Talk Bowling – Episode #69
Question from Coffolot:
Q – hey guys just a quick question. What do you think is the best way to teach a bowler to slide? I have been bowling 4 years now and as of my location (Dubbo Australia) we have no coach at all!. I have been finishing with a step at the end instead of a slide and find my speed loses as of it. Any Suggestions? Still bowling a 210 ave on THS around 193 on sports.
A – It is going to depend on if you are looking to slide more or less, or if you are trying to stay balanced in the slide.
If you are looking to slide more or less on the approach, then you are probably going to need a higher performance shoe like an SST, 3G, or other shoe with interchangeable soles and/or heels. This will allow you to control the amount of slide you have on the approach.
If you are looking to stay balanced in the slide, then you are going to want to do some drills without the ball. Best thing to do in the beginning is to practice your approach at the bowling center with no ball. This will build muscle memory and strength to help you to better balance at the foul line.
Question from dan:
Q – How much does ball layout effect what part of the lane you play on? All the balls I’ve ever owned have been drilled with a 5" pin to PAP, pin above my fingers. I’ve always played around the second arrow and would like to move inside more, somewhere around the third arrow. Would shortening my Pin to PAP to say 4" and bringing it below my fingers have any noticeable impact on where I play the lane. How much of a difference in ball reaction would I see between these two layouts.
A – Changing the Pin to PAP distance will have a definite impact on where the ball revs up and how much flare potential the ball has. It will depend greatly on how you throw the ball to determine that sweet spot to maximize flare potential for your style.
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Bonus Question from Jake:
Q – Hey guys,
First of all, thanks so much for all the work you do in providing great information and tips on bowling and products. I’ve recently just gotten back into the sport after many years hiatus. I bowled all through middle and high school, but never really bothered to educate myself too much on things like PAP, Mass Bias, etc. etc. Whenever I would get a new ball, the pro-shop would just ask what kind of ball-reaction I wanted, and drill accordingly.
I understand that my PAP may change over time depending on how I change my ball-delivery… but as for right now, will my PAP remain consistent from ball to ball? I’m in the market for a new ball, so will I be able to find my PAP on my old ball from years and years ago (a Brunswick Deep Danger Zone… yeah, I’m dating myself here).
A – Good question Jake. And the answer is, it depends on you as the bowler. The Positive Axis Point is just an imaginary point on the bowling ball that the ball is spinning around while it is skidding down the lane. So if you release the ball with the exact same angles, rotation, and lift, and all of the other factors that go into a release, then your PAP will remain the same from ball to ball. If you change one thing in your release, even down to the tension in your muscles, the PAP will change (even if only slightly). If they are not drilled the same, then it may be difficult to replicate the release exactly. And by drilled the same, I don’t mean the Pin to PAP, or CG placement, I just mean the span, hole sizes, and pitches.
Consistency is very difficult.
Answer to last weeks question:
Q – When and where were the first indoor bowling lanes built and what were they called?
A – In 1840, the first indoor bowling lanes – called Knickerbocker Alleys in New York City.
This weeks question:
Q – When and where were the first indoor bowling lanes built and what were they called?
A – In 1840, the first indoor bowling lanes – called Knickerbocker Alleys in New York City.
We are going to have Richard Carrubba on the show in November. If you have any questions for him, please send them in. He has been in the bowling industry for many years, and absolutely love the sport of bowling.
Closing:
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Question from Coffolot:
Q – hey guys just a quick question. What do you think is the best way to teach a bowler to slide? I have been bowling 4 years now and as of my location (Dubbo Australia) we have no coach at all!. I have been finishing with a step at the end instead of a slide and find my speed loses as of it. Any Suggestions? Still bowling a 210 ave on THS around 193 on sports.
A – It is going to depend on if you are looking to slide more or less, or if you are trying to stay balanced in the slide.
If you are looking to slide more or less on the approach, then you are probably going to need a higher performance shoe like an SST, 3G, or other shoe with interchangeable soles and/or heels. This will allow you to control the amount of slide you have on the approach.
If you are looking to stay balanced in the slide, then you are going to want to do some drills without the ball. Best thing to do in the beginning is to practice your approach at the bowling center with no ball. This will build muscle memory and strength to help you to better balance at the foul line.
Question from dan:
Q – How much does ball layout effect what part of the lane you play on? All the balls I’ve ever owned have been drilled with a 5" pin to PAP, pin above my fingers. I’ve always played around the second arrow and would like to move inside more, somewhere around the third arrow. Would shortening my Pin to PAP to say 4" and bringing it below my fingers have any noticeable impact on where I play the lane. How much of a difference in ball reaction would I see between these two layouts.
A – Changing the Pin to PAP distance will have a definite impact on where the ball revs up and how much flare potential the ball has. It will depend greatly on how you throw the ball to determine that sweet spot to maximize flare potential for your style.
How to contact us
Email us questions@talkbowling.com
Leave a comment on TalkBowling.com/69
On Twitter we are @TalkBowling
Sponsors:
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GoDaddy also provides a free iPhone, Android, or BlackBerry app so you can order directly from your phone or manage your domains easily.
Plus TalkBowling viewers can enter promotion code bowl8 to save an additional 10% off any GoDaddy order.
Some restrictions apply, see site for details. Get your piece of the Internet at GoDaddy.
Bonus Question from Jake:
Q – Hey guys,
First of all, thanks so much for all the work you do in providing great information and tips on bowling and products. I’ve recently just gotten back into the sport after many years hiatus. I bowled all through middle and high school, but never really bothered to educate myself too much on things like PAP, Mass Bias, etc. etc. Whenever I would get a new ball, the pro-shop would just ask what kind of ball-reaction I wanted, and drill accordingly.
I understand that my PAP may change over time depending on how I change my ball-delivery… but as for right now, will my PAP remain consistent from ball to ball? I’m in the market for a new ball, so will I be able to find my PAP on my old ball from years and years ago (a Brunswick Deep Danger Zone… yeah, I’m dating myself here).
A – Good question Jake. And the answer is, it depends on you as the bowler. The Positive Axis Point is just an imaginary point on the bowling ball that the ball is spinning around while it is skidding down the lane. So if you release the ball with the exact same angles, rotation, and lift, and all of the other factors that go into a release, then your PAP will remain the same from ball to ball. If you change one thing in your release, even down to the tension in your muscles, the PAP will change (even if only slightly). If they are not drilled the same, then it may be difficult to replicate the release exactly. And by drilled the same, I don’t mean the Pin to PAP, or CG placement, I just mean the span, hole sizes, and pitches.
Consistency is very difficult.
Answer to last weeks question:
Q – When and where were the first indoor bowling lanes built and what were they called?
A – In 1840, the first indoor bowling lanes – called Knickerbocker Alleys in New York City.
This weeks question:
Q – When and where were the first indoor bowling lanes built and what were they called?
A – In 1840, the first indoor bowling lanes – called Knickerbocker Alleys in New York City.
We are going to have Richard Carrubba on the show in November. If you have any questions for him, please send them in. He has been in the bowling industry for many years, and absolutely love the sport of bowling.
Closing:
Please remember that bowlingball.com is free shipping on every item, every day. No hidden handling fees, no packaging fees, no added insurance fees. The price shown is the price you pay at checkout. No Surprises.
9 Responses to “Talk Bowling #69 – How to Teach Someone to Slide?”
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Yes, the MCP would be a great choice. Also, take a look at the Storm Anarchy. Both of these bowling balls will get down the lane easier with much more of an aggressive move on the backend. Keep up the good bowling!
Awesome thanks! Which one of those would be probably a better choice? I know they are about the same, but since i already throw a the storm invasion, would i be more likely to do better with the next in line for storm products? Or switch to the roto grip MCP?
Give the Anarchy a shot. Perfect fit with the Invasion.
Hey Dustin, just thought i'd give you a heads up on my bowling lately. I recently picked up the Mutant Cell Pearl, and it is an absolute beast on the lanes. First time i played it, 6 out of the 7 games were 16 pins above my average. The other game was one i had to move and adjust to but still managed a 181 out of it. Thanks for all of your help!
Great! That's what we like to hear! Keep up the good bowling!
I've got a question or a problem. I'm having trouble with my thumb, sometimes it slips and i drop the ball so i end up gripping it harder so I end up almost following the ball down the lane. I've had a been told to use tape or to get ovals put in, so i was wondering if you had any suggestions/advice. This is really starting to hurt my game i bowl a 165 average but im struggling to hit a 150 so any help would be appreciated.
Hi Big Bill,
Please check our site for an article called "How To Use Bowling Tape." This article addresses the method of applying tape into your thumb or finger holes so you get a good fit and then will have no need to squeeze the ball.
One quick thing you can do is try some bowling tape, textured or smooth surface tape and contoured to fit into a hole quite easily, place the tape below the surface of the thumb hole about 1/8 inch in the portion of the hole either directly behind knuckle portion of your thumb or where you hold the ball on the flat portion of your thumb. Remember to change the tape periodically so it does not become frayed or begin to pull above the hole onto the ball surface.
You can layer multiple pieces in the hole until you get a snug fit to where you do not need to squeeze the ball but where you can easily release the ball smoothly and consistently. You can use a thumb oval sized and shaped to fit your thumb. If your thumb expands or contracts during your session on the lanes, you may need to add or remove tape regardless if you use a thumb slug or merely use bowling tape to improve your gripping hole in the bowling ball.
We hope these tips help? With some experimentation, you will improve your ability to release the ball and achieve good results on the lanes. Thanks for visiting bowlingball.com.
Hey Big Phill! I had thumb problems too, and it took me awhile to resolve them. They're a big deal that may try your patience, but hang in there. Here's some things I learned: (1) Some thumbs change size. Bowl consecutive solo games and it will be about the same throughout, but changes can occur when waiting your next turn, especially in a league. So, you may need two balls. (2) Thumb shapes can vary, as in flat, oval or round. Also, some don't have a lot of "meat" on the end, like beneath the nail and in front of the knuckle. (3) Thumb bone angles vary considerably, especially if they've been broken. (4) Blisters and callouses are indications of mistaken drilling angles/layouts. (5) Oval thumb holes have to be placed at exactly the right angle(s). (6) If you have thumb pain in your release, you can have corrective adjustments made. (7) Find a good driller and stick with them. Expect to pay for repeated re-drilling. If they don't like making alterations, go elsewhere. (8) Sooner or later, you'll be able to achieve a snug fit that feels just right. Don't loose the measurements and layout. (9) All things to do with your thumb are directly related to your fingers and the layout/span. The adjustments and measurements can get tricky. Best of Luck! Richard M.
Hi Bob,
While it's possible that the ball could use a good resurfacing or some time in a Revivor, it sounds like more of a layout problem. If you've never really gotten the reaction you were looking for, then you have to look at how it is drilled. For most people, when the MB is placed in the thumb (even though there is no MB marked on this ball since it is symmetrical), this will give a very even rolling reaction. Not a layout you'd put on a ball if you were looking for maximum backend reaction. Good luck with your new ball driller, it definitely sounds like they are willing to work with you more than your previous driller.